IbiVR 0 Posted January 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Gary,Got this for you for testing if you would, Not on the new bracket so its a bit fiddly at the mo, but i'm sure you'll cope... MSD coilpack with original leads and new terminals. I'll get it to you this week - let me know what you think! (sorry its not new and shiney...)Cheers,Tom Link to post Share on other sites
VR6BOY 2 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Looking pretty good there tom any ideas when available ? Link to post Share on other sites
DundeeDub 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 interested in the full package Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Where can I get just the coils from? Can I run them straight from the DTA if it's got internal preamps? I might be able to fudge together a 'kit' like that for myself if you can supply the coils and plug ends? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
GVK 1 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Gary' date='Got this for you for testing if you would, Not on the new bracket so its a bit fiddly at the mo, but i'm sure you'll cope... [img']http://www.btinternet.com/~tommyw/Miscpics/MSD/MSDGVK.JPGMSD coilpack with original leads and new terminals. I'll get it to you this week - let me know what you think! (sorry its not new and shiney...)Cheers,Tom Missed this post Tom - Have you still got my addy? Link to post Share on other sites
stef 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Any more news... have been looking into MSD's for a while as there is alot of peeps on the Vortex forum that rate them? stef Link to post Share on other sites
stef 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Also are you adding a resistor to the 12v+ wires as on Vortex thats what they reconmend so the MSD's dont over heat themselves with your set up?People have been using 1 or 0.8ohm set ups.stef Link to post Share on other sites
adam_christie 0 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Any news on this IviVR? Link to post Share on other sites
poultonjoe 0 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Any news on this IviVR? Yes, i need some desperately before my engine re-build is complete! Link to post Share on other sites
IbiVR 0 Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Been V busy but working on it. Yes Gary, got your address, not sent them yet though.... i'll get round to it honest!Yes you should add a resistor or theres no current limiting otherwise and you'd burn out your coild pretty quickly.We have made our own ignition amp, so you dont need to use the original one on the backplate of the stock coilpack. This makes things alot neater, and also elimiates the need to use parts of your old pack.Just got this testing and we'll be ready!Kev - Yes with DTA you can run the coils direct. Turn on the internal amps in the software and you should be away. Check in the specs, but your ecu should do current limiting on those outputs and it'll eliminate the need for a ballast.Best place for the coils is USA, much cheaper than over here. I'll be getting a fair few in shortly for these packs, but havent got them just yet.Cheers,Tom. Link to post Share on other sites
cadguy77 0 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Your a good man Tom, keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Cheers TomI would like to try these, but I don't mind waiting for a premade kit actually. I believe the DTA does take care of the current limiting, and I can also run the coil on time anything from 1000 to 9000 microseconds. 3000 seems to work well on the stock pack along with some NGK copper V groove race plugs.....lovely spark.....but not as nice as those MSDs!!Keep us posted! Link to post Share on other sites
bugsy 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I would also be intrested in this product, as my coil pack is on it's way out.MSD all the way. Link to post Share on other sites
Bazmcc 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Has anyone tried mounting the MSD bracket from GRUVEN PARTS?I'm considering it.Baz Link to post Share on other sites
poultonjoe 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I need a new coilpack desperately, have got my engine out of the car but cracked one of the terminals off the coilpack by accident! I don't want to pay for a new one only to upgrade to these a month or so later! :'(Any update on the progress of these?Joe. Link to post Share on other sites
Bazmcc 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 If you need them in a panic, get Paul (A2T) from Gruven to send you over MSD coils and the bracket from the US. The bracket is $74 and his shipping is well fast and pretty cheap too.Baz Link to post Share on other sites
cadguy77 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 If you need them in a panic' date=' get Paul (A2T) from Gruven to send you over MSD coils and the bracket from the US. The bracket is $74 and his shipping is well fast and pretty cheap too.Baz[/quote']watch out for import duty and VAT.... Link to post Share on other sites
Bazmcc 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 My last load of stuff from gruven came with 0 duty. Even if you do get stung for duty on the bracket and coils, it'll only be about £20.Baz Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Good info BazmccFor the benefit of others, here's Gruven's site....plenty of other decent VR parts too - http://www.gruvenparts.com/website/cart/cart.php?target=category&category_id=60 Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 What size ballast resistor are you using Tom? Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 OK well I've decided to get this sorted myself, but cheers for the heads up Tom!Bracket ordered from Gruvenparts.MSD coils, Ballast resistor and 8mm HEI lead ends ordered from SummitRacing.com40KV MSD 'GM' Blaster coils - $44 eachPack of 9 8MM HEI lead ends - $12Ballast resistor - $8There are cheaper coils from Jegs.com but they're all pretty much the same. The black Jegs ones are an inch shorter than the MSDs though if packaging is a concern.If you are running a standalone ECU you won't need the OE amplifier module and possibly not a ballast resistor either.If you are running the stock ECU, precise details on how to mod the coilpack are here :- http://www.vwfixx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66430&st=75The voltage from the VW amplifier on some engines needs limiting with a ballast resistor. 1.2 - 1.6 ohms should do it, or Mallory do a variable 0.7 - 1.5 ohm resistor with a 200W rating. Some coils run fine without a ballast but it's probably wise to run one. You won't quite get the full 40KV with a ballast, but it'll still be more than the stock CP's output. Link to post Share on other sites
IbiVR 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 HiI'm back!, sorry been away ages.V busy with other stuff at the mo, but still working on this. We have been doing extensive testing, and the upshot is, the standrd ignition amp is just not good enough for the msd coils.Problems from burnt out coils, ICM's themselves and spark plug electrodes wearing away.As above the ballast resistor helps but isnt a great fix tbh.We have developed out own ignition amp, and this is currently in testing, and proving a much more reliable option. Also means you dont need to incorporate the stock coilback back into the new bracket and makes for a much neater package.Obviously theres part of me that just wants to get these out there - but I am not prepared to put my name to somethign thats going to fail, or more precisly casue something else to fail.I would rather wait and be sure that what we are putting out there is a good long term solution, and the only way to do this is to get some miles on it!!We will finish the bracket based on the new icm (cost for our icm is going to be in the region of £30 - not mega bucks).Yes as well as the MSD coils there are ACCEL coils in bright yellow, and JEGS coils in black. All pretty much the same thing tbh.Kev - This wont affect you really as your dta - so i'd appreciate your feedback on the coils in general once youve got them on, if you see an improvement in economy, smoothness and general road manners. I'm sure its of interest to those on here thinking about this mod.You can run a bigger gap on your plugs with the larger spark of course - i'd recomend starting with .028", if you see no misses, try .030"On another note - hope all is well for those on here, should be on a bit more again now!Cheers,Tom. Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Cheers Tom, that's pretty much what the Americans are finding with the VW amplifier aswell.I may still need one of your amps as I'm not sure what quality of coil amp the DTA has in it, but generally speaking the guys at DTA make their ECUs run with pretty much any coil and any injector, so I should be OK.I'll let you know the results ASAP and cheers for the plug gap recommendations, I was wondering about those. Link to post Share on other sites
bugsy 0 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Good to here back from you, i thought it had gone all pete tong,sorted out another coil pack for the moment as mine went bust. Keep in touch with the progress, cheers bugs(mike) Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Made a little progress on my MSD conversion....All the bits you need. Some form of bracket to hold them, 3 x 8224 blaster coils, 1 x pack of HEI connectors and boots and a spare set of leads (if you want to keep the originals).First job is to snip off the Beru ends and crimp on the HEI ends. Some silicon dielectric grease helps get the boots on if you've got 8mm plug wire. If you use MSD's HEI connectors, all you need is a set of long nose pliers.The finished lead set and how they sit on the coils....I can shove these straight onto my engine, but as Tom suggests, the rest of you would be wise to wait for his better quality amplifier.I'm really liking this mod. Should give some nice gains. Link to post Share on other sites
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