djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Just been reading through a couple of threads in the forum on various cars the VR6 has beat. I find it hard to belive that an m3 would get smoked of a Vr6 and i find it hard to belive that a vr6 can hold its own against a clio 182 or a civic type r or a st225.My friend has a seat leon cupra r 225 and i cant get close to him at all we done tests with him and me in second at 50 then florring it up through the gears and he just left me and i have a friend who has a puegeot 206 gti 180 and its faster than mine even after farious trials side by side. you might laugh but the power to weight ratio sneaks up again it makes me feel sad because i love my car bu i need a vortech to be better I have a VR6 Higline with cat back exhaust and bmc cda filter and have to say the engine note is the sweetest i have ever heard but its not as fast as people make it out to be, i think we should all save up and supercharge to see the real benifits. Link to post Share on other sites
Earwig 89 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I doubt it would hold it's own against an M3 but the other cars you mention there would not be much in it at all, in fact I would say the only car to give it a good run woulf be a Civic Type R....I raced a m8 of mine in one a while ago and there was not to much in it, he was pretty suprised.What you have to remember is the VR pulls hard all the time where alot of these other cars have to be within a certain rpm range to have any effect, once the drop from this range that is where the VR can gain some.Sure it's heavy but then it's built better than comparable cars to ! If I had to crash I would rather it in a VR than some french of Jap tin can.Like you say though..... Add a charger ;-)Mark. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve @ 1 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 If your having trouble against the 206 180 then i think you need to get the car looked at, get it hooked up to vag com and /or put on a rolling road. Dont take this as having a go but a healthy highline (OBDII) with your mods should be close to 190bhp. And pretty much the only cars bar the M3 which should give to a hard time are the LCR and CTR. Link to post Share on other sites
gav_113 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 trust me ive wasted loads of cars. cars like a type R or 182 are quick from standing start, but on a big open road a lightly modded VR will have the upper hand.. ive raced both and neither beat me..a VR isn't the fastest car on the road by any means, but it can hold its own against most hot hatches, and there isn't many that sound like it either! Link to post Share on other sites
djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Maybe it does need looked at but i dowt it!! The car is running great and has always been serviced at VW the most recent being 1000 miles ago. Im gonna do some 0-100 tests and 60-100 pulls from 3rd up and il get back to you all. Link to post Share on other sites
djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 dont underestimate the pug 180 its a quick and ligt car Link to post Share on other sites
Seademon 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Agreed - I see these posts all the time I just choose to ignore them because I know what my car can smoke and what it cant - a VR6 might have 190ish Bhp but how much does it weight compared to a 206 etc! VR6's arent the fastest cars on the road but can be quick with a bit of tuning. I'd much rather drive my VR6 than a 206 etc tho :-p Link to post Share on other sites
Seademon 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 If your having trouble against the 206 180 then i think you need to get the car looked at' date=' get it hooked up to vag com and /or put on a rolling road. Dont take this as having a go but a healthy highline (OBDII) with your mods should be close to 190bhp. And pretty much the only cars bar the M3 which should give to a hard time are the LCR and CTR.[/quote']What are the LCR & CTR? Civic Type R?! *-) A highline engine is no different to any other OBD2 engine. Link to post Share on other sites
petervr6 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 answer for the above if i have read it right and youe asking what they mean LCR-leon cupra r and CTR-civic type r Link to post Share on other sites
Seademon 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_GTI 0 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 if you're that worried about it maybe you should of bought another car? or save another grand and super charge it. Does it really matter that some horrible little french tin can car can beat you??wait and see how well it lasts the test of time... If you really want to go quick with out going the jap or french tat route you need a kit car and some kind of 2.0lt engine. I had a Dutton melos (like a ugly caterham 7) with a Cough *fiat* cough, strada abarth engine. 2.0lt twin cam 8v around 130bhp and enough to scare almost any car of the line and up to 100 but my god you never want to crash in it - just like the nasty little french cars Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 PUG 206 GTI180Production 1 Jan 2003 until now Length 3822 mm Width 1673 mm Height 1433 mm Weight 1125 kg Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection Transmission Manual Gears 5 Speed PerformanceEngine Size 1997 cc Cylinders 4 0-60 mph 7.5 s Power Output 180 bhp Valves 16 Torque 202 Nm 152 lb-ft Top Speed 137 mph VR 1 Feb 1992 to 21 May 1998 Length 4020 mm Width 1710 mm Height 1405 mm Weight 1155 kg Fuel Delivery Injection Transmission Manual Gears 5 Speed PerformanceEngine Size 2792 cc Cylinders 6 0-60 mph 7.1 s Power Output 174 bhp Valves 12 Torque 235 Nm 173 lb-ft Top Speed 142 mph CIVIC TYPE RProduction 1 Jan 2003 to 6 May 2003 Length 4140 mm Width 1695 mm Height 1420 mm Weight 1204 kg Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection Transmission Manual Gears 6 Speed PerformanceEngine Size 1998 cc Cylinders 4 0-60 mph 6.6 s Power Output 197 bhp Valves 16 Torque 196 Nm Top Speed 146 mph LEON CUPRA R 1 Sep 2002 to 1 Aug 2003 Length 4184 mm Width 1742 mm Height 1439 mm Weight 1376 kg Fuel Delivery Turbo injection Transmission Manual Gears 6 Speed PerformanceEngine Size 1781 cc Cylinders 4 0-60 mph 7.0 s Power Output 210 bhp Valves 20 Torque 270 Nm 199 lb-ft Top Speed 147 mph BMW M3 (e36?)1 Mar 1996 to 1 Jan 1998 Length 4433 mm Width 1698 mm Height 1365 mm Weight 1535 kg Fuel Delivery Injection Transmission Manual Gears 6 Speed PerformanceEngine Size 3201 cc Cylinders 6 0-60 mph 5.3 s Power Output 321 bhp Valves 24 Torque 350 Nm 258 lb-ft Top Speed 155 mph the m3 is a diffrent class a stockish vr would NOT beat an m3 in any situation one thing that STILL confuses me is the fact that EVRYIONE seems to think the vr weighs 3 tons it just doesnt its even 50kg lighter than the relatively stripped out civic lol Link to post Share on other sites
djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Alright done 60-100 in 3rd and 0-100 runs tonight the best i could get were 60-100 = 11.10-100 = 18.00i was dissapointed with the times but its still not bad i suppose im running a bmc cda and jetex cat back exhaust. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve @ 1 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Thats about right for the 0-100 time. Not sure what a standard golf does it in but a standard corrado VR6 does 0-100 in 17.7 as tested by autocar. What did u use to time it? Link to post Share on other sites
Russ_vr6 12 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 intersting postd,good to readmy ten pence is thiswhile we all do have races from time to mine,what people do tend to forget is the situation: ie the car,condition,driver skill/road knowledge,etc etcnow iv raced 'faster' cars as the ones mentioned and iv won and beaten by simalar cars,also bear in mind too that my car looks std and im 26 bhp over std so ur never quite sure what ur racingim confident i can get 0-60 in mine it 6.52 as this is my average time tried with my g-tec with a q mile time of 15.3@97mphanother good point is this morning i out dragged a new golf gti from standing start and from rolling from 60 mph,and last week i couldnt get past an old 2.0 turbo rover vitesse,were they modded? were they a bad example of the breed? who knows,all i know is it is fun beating 'faster' cars,but always bear in mind they guy next to you might not be trying......still fun tho Link to post Share on other sites
petervr6 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 but always bear in mind they guy next to you might not be trying......still fun tho lol. Link to post Share on other sites
djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Thats about right for the 0-100 time. Not sure what a standard golf does it in but a standard corrado VR6 does 0-100 in 17.7 as tested by autocar. What did u use to time it?I just used my casio G-shock almost hit 100 in 3rd i reckon i could i also had my work gear in the boot but this would only drop hundreths of a second nothing worth talking about. If you go on the http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp website it puts us about mid table with some good hot hatches the one that suprised me the most was the Astra GTE thats a car from the 80's still cutting the mustard, unreal lol Link to post Share on other sites
Russ_vr6 12 Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 not suprised the ol astra's didnt hang about lol Link to post Share on other sites
Bigjobbo 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Been looking for a website like that for ages, cheers.Maestro!!! like a bloody train!! Link to post Share on other sites
Russ_vr6 12 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 they great lol and montego turbo's now thry torque steer!i still would like another clio williams,my last one used to run 14.1@99 all day long Link to post Share on other sites
djemeryvr6 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Yeah them clios are nice but its getting hard to find a good one now i allways wanted one. I really like the new Megane 225 dunno y but if i had the coin id put on the new R32 Link to post Share on other sites
matth76 1 Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 A friend of mine is selling his Clio Williams. He is open to offers. It's an M-reg version 2 I believe, slightly over 100k miles (not sure exactly) on the clock which is average. Very well looked after etc etc. Only modification is a K&N induction kit and full Magnex s/s system, oh and 17" gold wheels as opposed to the smaller ones. I can find out more if anyone is interested? Link to post Share on other sites
Steve @ 1 Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Used to have a clio 16v with williams engine and a few choice mods. Ran 14.1 @ Pod. Was a quick car still miss it really ... Link to post Share on other sites
Russ_vr6 12 Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 mine got down to 13.8@101 mph at pod,but to be fair that was with no interior at all and poly windows lol Link to post Share on other sites
rodney 17 Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 interesting how some can do 0-60 and then pants 0-100.... Link to post Share on other sites
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