gazbrook 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I have put the charger/turbo conversion to one side for the moment and have bought a golf rallye 4wd system recently as i want it fitting to my vr to improve the dodgy handling,i'm getting it fitted in september at dubsport, i have never seen a golf rallye before. Does anybody know if this 4wd system is any good compared to more modern ones and also what other pros and cons i might encounter with it i.e the extra weight(oww, i hurt my back lifting it),transmission loss etc.I'm still going to give my car more power after i just thought it might be safer to sort the handling first to make it capable of handling approx 350 bhp cheers Link to post Share on other sites
nickbee 1 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 You've pretty much summed it up mate. Your car will be heavier and you'll have greater transmission losses, so until you get the F/I it will be actually be slower. Once you've got F/I obviously it will help you put the power down off the line.The 4wd system used in the Rallye is the Syncro system. It's FWD under most circumstances, and shift up to 50% of the power to the back wheels when necessary. TBH it's not the best, for instance the 4WD can't be used at the same time as ABS, so you've only got 2wd under braking.These days they've dropped it for Haldex, an electronically controlled system. Far superior but obviously more £££.I don't know how much power a Rallye box will take.[ Edited Fri Jul 23 2004, 03:55PM ] Link to post Share on other sites
jcorallo 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 What kind of 4wd system did the MKIII Syncro's have? Maybe this would have been better?I've often thought it would be an idea to get a MKIII Synchro, convert it to RHD then FI the bugger.Jules Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I'm not sure what system the syncro uses but i was looking for one of them too, it was about as easy to find as cheap highline leather(not very), i also heard that the rallye rear diff could take more power than the syncro, not too sure how true that is tho Link to post Share on other sites
eViL 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 What kind of 4wd system did the MKIII Syncro's have? Maybe this would have been better?I've often thought it would be an idea to get a MKIII Synchro' date=' convert it to RHD then FI the bugger.Jules[/quote']Er.. perhaps the Syncro 4wd system?Does what it says on the tin.. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 easiest thing would have been to put the vr6 engine into a mkII rallye!to be honest...none of these sycro/haldex systems are that good...all they do is give the car more understeer unless you really chuck it into the corners (which isn't good for speed).most 4wd cars understeer loads, even more than FWD apparantly.RWD is the way forward...shame theres no nice/quick ones for vr6 money. Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I don't like rear wheel drive at all, they are fast on take off and good for drifting ,oversteering round corners etc but in my opinion lethal in the wet, the proof is in the pudding and i will have to see what its like after fitting , i would be extremely surprised if its worse handling than a front wheel drive vr, why did vw bother engineering a 4 wheel drive system for the syncro aswell if it was gonna be worse than front wheel drive?? A bit of a waste of a few million pounds worth of development money Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 the 4WD can't be used at the same time as ABS, so you've only got 2wd under braking. y would u need 4wd under braking? rwd is best imo (whatever its worth lol) Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I've had a lot of fun with rear wheel drive mr2 turbo, really fast motor but it was bad in the wet/ice and some twisty bits where oversteer was a bit too wild,a subaru i was racing had more grip and the 4WD subaru's are renowned for having a bit of understeer, I think rear wheel is good fun for the more skilled and safe driver (not me)but for the lead foot and pushing the car beyond its limits type(definitely me) 4wd is for me and yes i know the sophisticated subaru 4wd system is a lot better than than the golf rallye,its just a first hand experience I have had of rear wheel vs 4wd Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I' date=' i would be extremely surprised if its worse handling than a front wheel drive vr, why did vw bother engineering a 4 wheel drive system for the syncro aswell if it was gonna be worse than front wheel drive?? A bit of a waste of a few million pounds worth of development money[/quote']sorry, i should have stated..4wd is less to my liking than FWD as i hate understeer.remember a cars balance tends to move more towards oversteer the faster you go. so the MR2's are balanced perfectly at low speeds, but oversteer at speed. a scooby is balanced at speed but very understeery at slower speeds. Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 thanks for that info acf, i know you are a good driver and i don't doubt your knowledge, i will just have to bear in mind if i do want to take a corner hard its going to handle better at speed and leave the slow town racing to the saxo boys, it will be interesting to see the results of a 4wd system originally designed for the mk2 chassis, i hope it doesn't go horribly wrong as it could be an expensive mistake, fingers crossed Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 surely you have to chop and weld the floor pan? Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I would have thought so as its of a mk2, but the guys at dubsport seemed quite confident that they could do it easily as they have done it before Link to post Share on other sites
zerocool 0 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 you will need to source a vr6 syncro gearbox for this ,as the rallye gearbox bell housing won't fit the vr6 motor.I have a vr6 syncro box,and it took me a year to source Link to post Share on other sites
antera309 3 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Fair play for attempting something so ambitious!. Not many people have fitted 4wd to a Mk3, so the result will be something really unique. With VR6 turbo power, it should run some serious quarters with the extra traction that 4wd provides.I've read about this conversion being done on a Mk1 and it involved welding in the rear floorpan and tunnel from the Rallye. Big job. Please let us all know how you get on!! Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 I'm having a Quaife six speed fitted at the same time, i presume dubsport will get the right type for the 4wd system, its booked in for the 4th of September and they said it should take 3 weeks, but i know how bad garages can be keeping to deadlines, i will definitely let you know how i get on,hope i've got enough cash left to give the car more power to cope with the extra weight aftercheers Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 u lucky gti lol Link to post Share on other sites
gazbrook 0 Posted July 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 cheers eat this, somehow i think you got them letters mixed up ;-) , its not all fun and games getting your car done up ,i have driven my car a grand total of 7 days since April due to the work I have had done it,it'll all be worth it in the end , i hope Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 im sure it will Link to post Share on other sites
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