The 3.2 sump on a VR6 thread

[anto 0]

Any danger of the part numbers Kev?

[FishWick 21]

I never wrote those down because I had a 4 motion sump on before the R32 one. The dealear won't have any trouble finding them on ETKA.

[anto 0]

OK no worries. I'll post the part nos. myself for the dipstick & guide tube when I get back from the stealers with the bits just in case anyone needs them.

[Haydn 0]

Well worth the money and time if you get through sumps like i do. I would love to see some pics of how the sump sits compared to the subframe etc now. Looks about 3 cm shallower from the initial pics.

[Oldirtybastard 0]

Sounds like a nice mod, if i ever damage my sump i will deffo go this route,

T

[Haydn 0]

Is it definetly best to use the sealant, not use the rubber gasket i am using now on my 12v? and just to be sure is it mk4 R32 bits or mk5 r32? I may have missed something, sorry.

[FishWick 21]

Use the sealant because the rubber gasket will move the sump further away from the pump pickup.

MK4 and MK5 sumps / pumps are the same, so doesn't really matter.

[anto 0]

Are you sure, Kev? According to ETKA there are 2 versions of the Mk4 sump and neither is the same as the Mk5.

[FishWick 21]

How old is your ETKA? Dealers use an online database now that's upated daily.

It's irrelevant anyway because if you order 022 103 601R, it will fit.

[Haydn 0]

Thats great thanks, How many miles have you done since fitting the pump, Any issues?

[FishWick 21]

Not sure, at least 3K mate.

No issues at all with the R32 pump :-)

[Haydn 0]

"The only mod I had to make was to cut a small section out of the plastic baffle where the dipstick passes through because the R32's dipstick sits 1.5" closer to the gearbox than the 12V's. Strange.

They probably moved it for intake manifiold clearance reasons?"

Is this still the case when using the 24v dipstick? Getting everything tomorrow so just want to make sure. I take it its the sump thats the prob, so matter what dipstick you use the bit will need cuting out?

Cheers

Haydn

[FishWick 21]

Yeah that's right mate. You will see what I mean when you get the bits. My camera was out of action when I did this, otherwise I would have documented it properly.

It'a a bit of a faff as you have to remove the plastic baffles to cut or drill a section out neatly. The baffles are screwed in, so come out easily. My R32 sump had some loose bits of casting flash under the baffles, so a good idea to remove those whilst you're there.

Cheers

[Phat VR6 3]

Due to the fact ally sumps shatter i started thinking,

R32 oil pump and pick up with shallow modified 12v steel sump, Would take some welding and fabricating but should be easy enough Plus you can reinforce and plate it,

You say that the plastic baffles remove from the R32 sump? How much work would it be to mount in a 12v sump from memory?

Anyway way think this way would be the best of all worlds if your running low

[albinoDUB 1]

i've confused myself reading this now.... r32sump or audi 3.2 sump?

[craggsy 91]

i've confused myself reading this now.... r32sump or audi 3.2 sump?

Same thing

[FishWick 21]

I don't see what's confusing about this post ;-) -

OK' date=' went to pick up my sump and pump and they're wrong. [b']We looked on the Audi ETKA and can't find a baffled sump for any 3.2 Audi.

It is definitely the R32 that has the baffled sump

These are therefore the revised part numbers and everything you need:-

R32 baffled sump - 022 103 601R - £89

R32 oil pump - 022 115 105E - £103

R32 oil pipe - 021 115 203 - ~ £20

Sump sealant - D176 404 A2 - ~£15

The oil pipe connects to the block and is different to the Audi and 12V pipes.

Normal silicon sealant doesn't long in hot oil, so I'd recommend the white stuff VAG use (listed above).

[sharky_70 0]

looking at that, can you not use the shorter R32 oil pipe on the VR pump? almost cuts the conversion cost in half then...

[FishWick 21]

Nope because VW won't sell it seperately....

[sharky_70 0]

thats typically thoughtfull of them

did the R32 type VR go into anything else, like the VR went into galaxy and alhambra? (see what im thinking here?)

[FishWick 21]

Yep, they do the same with the oil breather pipe too. From VW you have to buy the whole intake pipe for £100 ish, but Ford will sell you just the breather section for £25 ish, so yeah, I know what you're thinking.

Afaik, only VAG vehicles got the 24V VR6. And even if it went into other cars, it's unlikely they'd get the R32 version with the modded sump and pump :-(

[sharky_70 0]

poop

ah well im raising the engine anyway so makes no difference i guess

[albinoDUB 1]

thanks for clearing that up

[Reep0503 0]

Could you change the pump and just keep the standard sump?

[FishWick 21]

What, an R32 pump with the standard VR6 sump?

Won't work as the oil pick up will be too high and you'll get major oil surge problems.