.:R32 engine into a mk3

[sharky_70 0]

think if a few of us had the right bits and pieces from the loom's and ECU we could get a group buy rate if we sent them at the same time?

[sharky_70 0]

dont think an install guide would be in their interest, its the business after all!

a buying guide would be good though, lets start one going

engine (goes without saying)

ECU

loom (how much do we need? engine harness, or anything pre-ECU?)

downpipe

uprated mounts

modified front mount bracket

ive read different things about mk4/mk5 engines needing the alternator/PAS bracket so could do with some clarification

DBW throttle pedal - read that any from a mk5 should be suitable and it bolts to the floor so shouldnt need any fiddling. also the look piece from the pedal TB

[UnitedMotorsport 55]

ive read different things about mk4/mk5 engines needing the alternator/PAS bracket so could do with some clarification

A MK5 engine has electric power steering, therefore it doesnt have a PAS hydraulic pump on the engine. To fit the MK5 engine you will need to use the hydraulic pump because this is the method the older cars use. To mount a PAS hydraulic pump on the MK5 engine you will need MK4 24v PAS bracket and pump.

A MK5 engine also a returnless fuel system, which means there is no return fuel line and no fuel pressure regulator on the fuel rail.

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

perhaps we can get this thread stickied to the top??

DBW throttle pedal? does this include a MK4 engine or only mk5?

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

Yer Kev thats what i'm thinking. Drop the lump in myself with help from whoever i can get help from then send all the electrical gubbins' date=' or as u say full car and gubbins, to ppl that know what they are doing. Last time i looked at a wiring diagram i thought i was looking at a Magic Eye puzzle!!

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Perhaps the first one of us three to start the project could invite the other two to help/learn as we went along??

good way of getting experience and learning about it, im sure we could all bring something to the table??

I for one and very good at drinking beer and rolling fags!!!

[UnitedMotorsport 55]

Both engines are DBW, a MK4 ECU requires a MK4 pedal, and a MK5 ECU requires a MK5 pedal

MK4 and 5 pedals are completely different.

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

ah fair enough

[sharky_70 0]

ah ok the guy i was reading from mustve had a mk5 R32 lump and meant that HE could use any mk5 pedal

so what would be required in fitting the pedal from a mk4?

James i think thats a good idea, although i have NO clue when i'd be doing mine!

[UnitedMotorsport 55]

If you have a MK3, fitting a MK4 pedal is a NIGHtMARE. As there is a big metal dash bar restricting access to where you need to work. and the fuse box is VERY close too. It is almost impossible to get the room to work down there.

The MK2 based cars are ALOT easier. The pedal box simply needs the throttle pedal removing, and a bracket welding on the MK4 pedal.

[sharky_70 0]

hhmm

any way of converting the TB to operate of a cable?

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

mk5 pedal it is then!!

[UnitedMotorsport 55]

Here is a picture of a MK5 R32 engine:

You can see that only the alternator and AC pump is driven from the aux. belt.

[kcw 1]

The cost of converting a big box of loom and ECU into a massively smaller loom and pre-programmed with a proven 270-280hp map' date=' ready to fit and fire up is ~ £800 from Stealth. A remap from them is normally around £350 so imo that's pretty good value. They've done quite a few now and are dab hands at it. Just make sure you give them everything from the same car, not a mix and match of MK4 and MK5 wiring as that does complicate matters and adds cost.

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Do you think it'd be any more expensive for Stealth to load a F/I map onto the 24v ecu instead of N/A?

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

^^ i wouldnt of thought so, but generally looking at £500 ish?? have to take into account the use of the rolling road and time for any glitches to be resolves.

I believe Vince at stealth will put a tailored map onto your ECU then run the car with his laptop in to ensure theres no pwoer spikes and that its fuelling correctly etc etc, and he can re-work the map from his laptop until its running smoooooth

[FishWick 21]

Do you think it'd be any more expensive for Stealth to load a F/I map onto the 24v ecu instead of N/A?

I don't think they'd do it. Too many variables with turbo setups. You'd be better off with a custom map mate.

[jesterwalker69 0]

Yer Kev thats what i'm thinking. Drop the lump in myself with help from whoever i can get help from then send all the electrical gubbins' date=' or as u say full car and gubbins, to ppl that know what they are doing. Last time i looked at a wiring diagram i thought i was looking at a Magic Eye puzzle!!

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Perhaps the first one of us three to start the project could invite the other two to help/learn as we went along??

good way of getting experience and learning about it, im sure we could all bring something to the table??

I for one and very good at drinking beer and rolling fags!!!

Good idea matey but i live all the way in Carlisle!! Missions!

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

Do it first then

I dont mind travelling or staying over etc, so long as i have enough heads up lol

[jesterwalker69 0]

Lol i'm still not entirely sure what i need to jack out the doner car yet otherwise i would crack on getting something sorted!

Would need to have the loom etc back in my hands from whomever i send it to before you guys came up so that we could crack on the weekend and have it running before you left!

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

aye, thats why ive been asking for a shopping list, from what i gather...

Engine - Donor car

ECU and loom - Donor car

MAF - Donor car

Downpipe - C2

Front mount - C2

MK5 pedal - Donor car

Then you jsut need to send the ECU and Loom off to stealth who return it completed and with a fitting guide

Everything else appears to be plug and play

[UnitedMotorsport 55]

IF you are going to use the VR6 5 speed gearbox, you need the following from the 24v donor car:

The engine complete with the wiring loom that goes round it.

The ECU

The loom that goes from the ECU to the car, which has the wiring for the lambda probes and the MAF on it.

BOTH Pre-cat lambda probes.

The MAF and the air inlet pipe

The thottle pedal and the wiring that goes to it (6 pin)

We can supply the following:

The spacer for the front mount.

A plug and play wiring loom to fit a CE2 fusebox. (We do both MK2 and 3)

ECU software (immobilizer defeat - MAP etc)

Downpipe.

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

^^ there ya go Ollie, get buying!!!!

[sharky_70 0]

IF you are going to use the VR6 5 speed gearbox' date=' you need the following from the 24v donor car:

The engine complete with the wiring loom that goes round it.

The ECU

The loom that goes from the ECU to the car, which has the wiring for the lambda probes and the MAF on it.

is this seperate to the rest of the engine loom then?

BOTH Pre-cat lambda probes.

The MAF and the air inlet pipe

The thottle pedal and the wiring that goes to it (6 pin)

We can supply the following:

The spacer for the front mount.

A plug and play wiring loom to fit a CE2 fusebox. (We do both MK2 and 3)

could you PM me the cost of these two please?

ECU software (immobilizer defeat - MAP etc)

Downpipe.

[jesterwalker69 0]

woohoo watch out scrappy, here i come!

[Jamesr_VR6 0]

^^ RE: Loom

yes, you have wiring from all the cars sensors/engine going into the ECU and then the wiring coming out of the ECU go to the dash controls/monitors etc

[FishWick 21]

Sharky, all you need to do is make sure the lambda and MAF get their power from the fuel pump relay as they need 12V whilst cranking and to only run when the engine's running.