Col_M 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 The VR6 i bought at the weekend has done 100800 miles and it hasn't had the chain done yet. I've done a bit of reading around the subject on here and elsewhere, i'm beginning to wonder if it's worth having this done?If i do have it done i may as well get the clutch changed too, anything else that could be done while it's apart?my cousin will do the work as he has his own business so that will help the labour cost, but how much am i looking at for the parts?I know almost nothing about VR6s specifically at the moment as i've been into my vauxhalls before this, so any advice is very welcome.thanks in advance guys (and gals) Link to post Share on other sites
wolfsberg vr6 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 ive just fully rebuilt my engine done the chains all seals and gaskets skimmed ported polished head new stem seals and guides its defo worth it but it is an expensive hobby lol Link to post Share on other sites
badboyV6 4 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 The labour is the main thing with the chains as the gearbox has to come out....If you do it deffo get a clutch too, may as well get an uprated one if you can :-) Link to post Share on other sites
nickbee 1 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I think it's a rumour propagated by chain manufacturers. I refuse to have mine done. Vive la resistance! Link to post Share on other sites
pete8tch 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 hope yor not superstitious nick?? Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 maybe you'd change your mind if you'd seen what i've seen nick you can't say its propeganda by chain manufacturers anyway, as they're made by vw and they say they don't need doin! lolits possible to check on the condition of your top runners (its the runners not the chains themselve that are the prob) quite easily...i'm gonna do a guide when i get the time. basically, inlet manifold and cam cover have to be removed so you can have a peek in.as for parts costs....timing chain parts total about £160 from gsf (or twice that from vw for identical parts)clutch is £80 from vw (they're pretty decent clutches at a fair price so why risk a different one)hows your gearbox? any whines or worn suncros...rebuild is prob £300ish if you need it.new gearbox fluid is about £30 Link to post Share on other sites
badboyV6 4 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 heard it before acf "when i get time" blah blah blah lol ;-) Link to post Share on other sites
Col_M 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 cool, thanks guys and acf8181 for the detailed info. My gearbox seems to be pretty sound but then again i don't know any different as i don't have anything to compare it against though. No noises or crunches though, the only thing i can think of is that going from 1st to reverse or vice versa needs a little persuasion occasionally, but that could just be me lol who is gsf, do you have a link/contact? Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
tommy 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I think it's a rumour propagated by chain manufacturers. I refuse to have mine done. Vive la resistance!lol.....I’m with you on this one nick....how many vr's have you heard of who’s chains have actually failed...errrrr 1 to my knowledge........... Mines knocking on the door of 100k with no signs what so ever of needing them done........I blame the "timing chain fairy" for these rumours..... Link to post Share on other sites
apd 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 i agree with nickbee and tommy.if they do not rattle,and no evidence of top runner bits in the sump then sod it. Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I know of 3. mine were starting to rattle, as soon as i heard it, it was straight in to get replaced. dont forget the later VR6's with a single top chain are less prone to problems than the earlier double top chains.. Link to post Share on other sites
Col_M 0 Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Cool, well my engine runs really smooth, no rattles, tapping, shaking, dinging, honking or even groaning so i don't think i'll need to worry for a while at least when i got the car i made sure i had a bit extra left over for emergencies, so if it does start making noises at me, i'll be able to fix it asap edit: oh and thanks for the link [ Edited Wed May 18 2005, 12:52AM ] Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 normally chain/guide wear can be heard while holding your throttle at about 1,200RPM, the following link is of a VR6 with worn guides/chains:http://www.vr6oc.com/guides/sound/Chain.wma Link to post Share on other sites
Col_M 0 Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 well thankfully mine sounds nothing like that Cheers guys, i think i'll leave it for a while and live on the dangerous side lol. It's great that i've only got positive replies even though i asked about something that you're all probably sick of answering, keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 normally chain/guide wear can be heard while holding your throttle at about 1' date='200RPM, the following link is of a VR6 with worn guides/chains:http://www.vr6oc.com/guides/sound/Chain.wma[/quote']and theres me worryin about mine it sounds a bit noisy but not that kinda noise Link to post Share on other sites
FishWick 21 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 As VR6Pete says, the simplex upper chained engines with the solid polymer pads barely wear at all. But the early engines with the resin lined metal pad need them checking at 100,000 really and on these engines (duplex upper chain), the lack of a rattle means f'ck all. Don't be complacent.....lift the rocker and check with your own eyes. Link to post Share on other sites
nickbee 1 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Bah, VW obviously realised they missed an opportunity and are paying you all off! I won't be fooled by your lies! Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 erm, nick...vw still state that they don't need doin ever....me thinks they want them all to implode so you buy a new vw. Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 At the end of the day, it's a simple check to perform. as kevhaywire says, look for your self, I know of a VW who's chains didnt rattle and then boom, they snapped. causing a fair amount of damage, I was down my mates garage last month and the intermediate chain pulley had goofed and pretty much bent every valve in the head.Just check it for your self Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 actually...i've never known of one failing after rattling...they all went boom with no warning! Link to post Share on other sites
tommy 0 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 actually...i've never known of one failing after rattling...they all went boom with no warning!Just out of interest.......how many vrs do you know that have actually gone boom due to chains failing.....as far as I’m aware the only one I know of was your mates highline???...no one on this forum has had there chains break Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 my mates,some other guy from my toen (posted on here),3rd person on cgti i think. Link to post Share on other sites
tommy 0 Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 so 2 possible 3 people...between the vr6oc and cgti....IMO......that a very small percentage when you think we are knocking on the door of nearly 2000 members alone on the owners club................its just people go on about chains as if the are cambelts thats all Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 most ppl get the tensioners done that may be y so few go as has been stated before the chains r tough as hell they tend to jump teeth due to lack of tension afaik Link to post Share on other sites
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