JakeP 53 Posted April 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I want 400-500 bhp for now and just want to run the 02a gearbox for now untill a later date when i decide to do an 02m swap, Im not really too fussed on driveability that much clutch wise , how much roughly would it cost to treat the gears as I dont mind spending a bit but there is a limit , any advice I will gladly take on board, thank you all Link to post Share on other sites
RBPE 198 Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, JakeP said: I want 400-500 bhp for now and just want to run the 02a gearbox for now untill a later date when i decide to do an 02m swap, Im not really too fussed on driveability that much clutch wise , how much roughly would it cost to treat the gears as I dont mind spending a bit but there is a limit , any advice I will gladly take on board, thank you all Err, I used to use frozen solid above but been a while - they'll give you a quote dep on cogs/parts, if they have to strip box etc - used to have the details on their sites but it seems to have changed now - factor a couple of hundred I suppose sending them cogs n shafts. Few years though. Ask them what they charge for stripping box and see if they can check the state of your parts. Just because the stock box is taking 200lb/ft doesn't mean it'll blow the first time you put it at 400lb/ft - you can only tell for sure if you strip it and look at it plus cryo/heat treatment is about toughening - if tolerances are too out/parts too worn then it affects the stresses which equals damage. Point I am trying to make is things like this; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fulcrum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_(mechanics) Do this - put your hands together fingers in between fingers - however put them so the tips of your fingers are essentially touching the base of the others - the end of your palm where your fingers stick out from and pull them apart - easy right. Now interlock them properly like you're going to crack your knuckles and try - much harder! Due to mechanics the stresses they can now take are far more yet the stresses remain the same - it's the way to think in tuning really. That being said, use your stock box and slap and LSD/ATB on but it'll give more stresses due to increased grip. "Will my box hold up?" - No idea, not looked at it! But if you want strength and reliability lots to think about and can cost! Ways to sort it like treatment but if the base isn't up to scratch then even these techniques, as much as they help, will not be a "be all and end all" answer without doing everything else! Another simple way to think of it - the fingers technique and this pic - now imagine if there were no gaps, the additional stresses they could take - same goes for your gearbox and the too vague "will it hold up?" questions. No-one can really say for sure due to many reasons but there are ways to go about protecting components and depends on your budget really! http://static.flavors.me/dynamic_images/custom/3be35abdd35d4a54b33edc7c3b48f005 Same with the 02m and some gearbox pro's now offering two strengthening parts for two different shafts - mechanics and torsional stresses - in that case with the 02M on two different planes due to multi-shafts Edited April 24, 2016 by RBPE VR6CABBS and JakeP 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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JakeP 53 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 So Kys 3.0 block with forged Pistons ht leads and turbo manifold came as well as more goodies ! Zrp rods , 630 injectors , Mocal oil cooler , short runner intake came today as well ! VR6Pete and Bealieboy 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Also just placed an order on Schimmel for 263 Cams, Timing chain kit and High performance bearing set Bealieboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 2 hours ago, JakeP said: So Kys 3.0 block with forged Pistons ht leads and turbo manifold came as well as more goodies ! Zrp rods , 630 injectors , Mocal oil cooler , short runner intake came today as well ! Bloody hell, didn't know we were giving away free 3.0 engine blocks with our lanyards now ! Bealieboy and JakeP 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Ky placed it in the manifold as a surprise haha , been wearing it proudly lol , probably the first lanyard I've ever owned VR6Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ssaunders 199 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hi, got my 02M install booked in at the Phirm for next year. slightly different as mine is 4x4. imho - i wouldnt waste the money strengthening the 02A not if your going 02M, 02A - LSD £650+, BOLT kit for diff £80, new bearings £100, plus the cost of the cryo and labour and good clutch 350+ build it, run low boost then convert to 02M after running it in. 02M swap needs the gearbox mount cut from subframe and moved. here is a good link - http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2633108-quot-02m-o2m-6-speed-into-mk3-12v-VR6-(Pictures-Fixed) good luck s Bealieboy and VR6CABBS 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Fuck loots like alot of work but I do want a 02M... The gearbox is the only situation that I am not sure what im going to do, RBPE has given me many ways I could go with treating the gears for the 02A etc etc so theres lots to choose and think about RBPE 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ky_uk 304 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Be nice to see this up and running JakeP 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RBPE 198 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 On 4/30/2016 at 3:59 PM, JakeP said: Fuck loots like alot of work but I do want a 02M... The gearbox is the only situation that I am not sure what im going to do, RBPE has given me many ways I could go with treating the gears for the 02A etc etc so theres lots to choose and think about There was some good info on the page about the strengthening of the 5th/6th planes somewhere here; https://de-de.facebook.com/doc.drehmoment.official/ Link to post Share on other sites
ssaunders 199 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) spoke to a guy here yesterday http://www.akstuning.co.uk/ to up-rate the shift forks, strengthen the input shaft add the shaft support, change some bearings but not including any synchros or gear replacements £750 inc labour, which i didnt think was bad. also getting a price from Mart (HotGolf) who is a legend, i will post that when it comes in as well. Edited May 6, 2016 by ssaunders JakeP 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Schimmel 263 cams , timing chain kit and full performance bearing set came yesterday and only thing left to get is my arp main studs on their way and can get the block put together then put the head together will post updates soon when it's all built ky_uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Right Ive been thinking a bit and as im not getting the crank balanced, because i cant find anyone to do it and will probably cost alot, I was thinking of getting a fluidampr for the vr6, would that be a good shout? The pulley that came off an engine I had bought previously seems to have an early version of the pulley and looks nothing like the one that is on the engine from my car... Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted May 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Just placed an order on a Garret GT3582r with a 0.82 ar and TiAL V-band housing from owen developments Link to post Share on other sites
matty.vrt 120 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 On 5/28/2016 at 5:53 PM, JakeP said: Just placed an order on a Garret GT3582r with a 0.82 ar and TiAL V-band housing from owen developments Good choice. I used to run the same turbo on my old vrt. JakeP 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Came today , really chuffed D11PS 1 Link to post Share on other sites
matty.vrt 120 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Sweeeeeeeet bet your exited to get that bad boy fitted. JakeP 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dubpryncess 16 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I'm dreaming! Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Waiting on a main cap to arrive and the block can be put together then things can finally start to get moving ! Link to post Share on other sites
matty.vrt 120 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Why are you missing a main cap? Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Ky sent me the main caps and forgot to send cap #1 Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Little update on the build... my engine builder was putting the wossner pistons in and hes cracked one of the rings.... how do I get hold of a set of wossner rings for the 82.5mm pistons? Getting rather annoyed as its been around a month and a half and hes only now started to build it and now hes cracked a ring :/, any advice on where to get a set? Link to post Share on other sites
matty.vrt 120 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 My dad cracked 2 rings when we built my motor it is easy done with a piston ring clamp that is not made for 15 degree engine.Try contact Wossner direct or look to see who is the UK dealer, I think TSR are. Link to post Share on other sites
JakeP 53 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 My engine builder has sourced once from a 2.0 GTi which is the same size apparently so should be able to get my block back on tuesday after so long! Link to post Share on other sites
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