acf8181 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 the vr6 is a perfect all rounder. its reasonably fast, roomy, comfortable, fun enough on corners.to spend £5k on one is silly, but thats some people hobby. Link to post Share on other sites
Pittuf 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 IMO, you can't just single out the VR, people spend thousands on every car there is out there.You can't buy any new car without spending, what, 6K, and that would be a pile of poo, but someone handed out the cash!People spend literally thousands on saxos, fords, vauxhauls, skodas, ladas, subarus, lexus, tvrs, porsches.If you don't like a car, don't buy it! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Its nothing to do with not liking a car Pittuf, in my opinion, people who modify their VR must not like it that much, its the people who leave it as standard that really like their car! (Ooh controversial!) I think people are latching on too much to the TVR idea, it was purely example of a performance car that you could buy for the equivalent of a highly modified VR.I do take all your comments on board, BUT and i know you are still going to say its a hobby, if you buy a VR for 5 grand, and spend another 3 grand modifying it, when you come to sell it, you aren't going to get anything like 8 grand for it, to me thats a rather expensive hobby!!Buy an E36 M3 and sell it for little or no loss at all, in fact i made money on mine! People will pay a lot more for a proper car, than a wolf in sheeps clothing.And VRmonster, i don't care how much you want to pretend, if someone lined up a Mint TVR Cerbera and a modified VR and asked you which one you want, i can't imagine you staying VW loyal!! Ha haThe thing that i find quite funny is if you go on a Nova owners website, they are all saying how they've spent 4 grand doing up their GTE to make it beat a VR (for example) and they slag off Saxo's. Come onto VR owners site, and they are all slagging off nova's and the money people waste on them and saying how they've spent 5 grand making it beat a scooby. Go onto an M3 owners website and they'll slag off VR's and they've spent 10 grand making it beat porsches! You see where i'm going with this??It seems that the very expensive modifying bug takes hold at all levels of car ownership. But i still stand by the fact that if i wanted a car with 350bhp, i'd buy one with it as standard, cos they are available for the same price.Take a Porsche 944 turbo, a lot quicker than a VR on any point on a track, and they cost sub 5 grand. Reliability, insurance, etc i hear you cry, still a LOT cheaper than Mina's VR i say back!Oh and acf8181, i'm a poor student and didn't race anything last year, however this year i think i'm racing a 1973 March in a classic single seater championship. Link to post Share on other sites
Pittuf 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Point taken, probably would have been better to say "if you don't like it, don't do it"I suppose its abit of a drug/addictive thing, starting off quite small and then multiplying, out of control.As I said people do still do these things, even with the top cars.But I can see where you are coming from.I know the VR is quite high in the insurance bracket, but super cars are (and I am only guessing, so I may be wrong) much more to insure and run and maintain, so a cheaper car to begin with is what most people see.I dunno? %-6 !ill 8o) Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 you seem to be confusing 'hobby' with 'investment' no one has said they modify their VR to sell to make a profit!A Porsche 944 turbo may very well be cheap to buy and beat an average VR on a track but the reason most people have for loving there VR is the all round package i.e. speed, comfort, looks, reliability and running costs... I didnt notice anyone say they bought one as a track car!You're right if someone offered me a mint TVR Cerbera or a VR Id take the TVR but nobody is offering me one and to buy onethe price tag isnt exactly comparable is it? As I said before if you don't want to modify your golf then don't, its your car so its up to you, the same way that what Mina does to his is up to him. Link to post Share on other sites
mina 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Dean's point is valid - why bother to spend loads on improving/modifying a car when you can pay less for one with it already done from the factory. It's all about personal choice and the desire to stand out a bit from the crowd. There's always going be someone faster, lighter, taller etc - you just have to accept that in life. Just enjoy your time and enjoy your car - whether it's totally standard to a twin engined twin turbo VR monster! Everyone would love the ultimate/perfect car, but it's always ends up a compromise. A competent driver can more than make up for any bhp deficiency on a track/road condition. My advice is to learn how to get the most from what you've already got (ACF1818 will agree) before chasing more power etc - you'll be surprised how quick even a standard VR can be driven!! I'm hoping to take some road/track driving tuition so I can improve my skills - reckon that will be worth an extra 100bhp at least!!!Peace and loveMina Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 all good points, but at the end of the day its your life, your money, and you're free to do what you want with it.is true, as mina says, that theres more performance to be gained from the driver than from the car. one of my mates has a 2.0 16v nova with NOS, can he loose me...can he fuck, the boy can't drive. anything he pulls out on the straight can be made back in the corners...i would corner quicker in my sis's old 1.4 nova than he could in his with his coilovers. and another mate won't go on a trackday in his mkII gti golf cause he says its not fast enough...he's gonna spend loads on it so it'll 'wip my arse'...is he in for a shock! (*evil laugh*)the only thng really 'modified' on my vr6 is the suspension...no one who enjoys progresive driving could stand the standard set up, its a pile of squidgy poo! lol Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Ah yes, the suspension, i couldn't even drive the vr on the road never mind a track without something doing to it. So i did get some adjustable shocks. I think acf8181 hit the nail on the head with he only replaced what was broken! Its interesing to see peoples thoughts on modifying, i'm all for style mods, personalising your car to your own taste etc, its the whole 'i'll put a 24v 2l turbo with uprated everything' in my vr and i can beat some performance cars that aren't trying!I definitely agree that driving skills count for a lot, i wish everyone that tried racing me had done at least some form of basic track day course. The real speed to be gained is not from a gas flowed head, its as acf8181 said, in the corners. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 'i'll put a 24v 2l turbo with uprated everything' i dont think a 24v 2l turbo actually exists Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Anything can exist if you have enough money! You can bore out a 1.8 to 2l for a start, and if thats not enough, how about mating an audi S4 bottom end with a TT top end and bung a T25 Garrett turbo on the side. Then take the drive train from a 4motion mk4 and a 6 speed box, mate them all together. And there you go! Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 furry muff Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 lmfao at acf's last comment. lol Link to post Share on other sites
VR6Pete 1,455 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 i wudnt mind one of them just now.... Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 id get mine later, but the painters are in, lol. (sorry if i offend any of the females...) also. jus reading through the posts, and it seems to be a daft debate, as everyone is arguing the same point, lol. we all do what we want to our cars, and theres only one thing that ever stops us. A LACK OF CASH FLOW. lol. Link to post Share on other sites
jamieVR6 0 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 id get mine later' date=' but the painters are in, lol. (sorry if i offend any of the females...) also. jus reading through the posts, and it seems to be a daft debate, as everyone is arguing the same point, lol. we all do what we want to our cars, and theres only one thing that ever stops us. A LACK OF CASH FLOW. lol.[/quote']Amen to that brother (texas accent) lol! Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Anything can exist if you have enough money! You can bore out a 1.8 to 2l for a start' date=' and if thats not enough, how about mating an audi S4 bottom end with a TT top end and bung a T25 Garrett turbo on the side. Then take the drive train from a 4motion mk4 and a 6 speed box, mate them all together. And there you go![/quote']but why not just buy a proper performance car? Link to post Share on other sites
madmonkee 0 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 lol big circle i do believe. Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 round round like a record Link to post Share on other sites
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