fair dos with rthe rest of your post My reply is (and I'm sure you'll agree) from the original question, is a new S3 will destroy a 10 year old HEALTHY VR with 185-200bhpbhp end of story i disagree with that i dont think a 1460 kg car with 260 bhp would destroy a healthy stock/near stock vr i agree it should be a bit quicker but not as much as the power suggests imho when mine just had an exhaust and ind kit it made 198 at stealth a 250 bhp 3.2 a3 tried and failed to get away from me on a dual carriage way i eventually crawled past him (i was in his slipstream for a bit) he never got past me