OK so EBC sounding a quite a bit more shaky here now. 2 failures not good and especially as Mrs & the mini me will be in the car. kinda defeats the object of wanting to stop faster when i need to really :S Slim, you mentioned mintex etc. R u talkin pads or discs or both ?? Not come across black diamond personally who /what they??? Also not come across GSF (unless u mean - German Swedish French?) Ok so I'm gonna stay with standard 288mm and calipers as I wont have time for a complete rework spacers etc. and not ebc! So what do we think for xdrilled optiond then? pads I will go with a bra